How to convert dB into Magnitude and Angle (2024)

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Dear Sir,

I want to convert 18.65 dB into its Magnitude and Angle (Phase). Can you give formula to converting dB into its equivalent magnitude and angle (Phase).

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You can never get phase infomation from dB.
You can only get magnitude infomation.

Mag = 10^(dB/20)

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Hi,

dB is a value of ratio.

For values like voltage, current the above formula is correct.

For value like power "Mag = 10^(dB/10)" is correct.

Klaus

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then how to convert dB into Magnitude and phase. How to get phase values for dB.

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I have following definition in Verilog-A code.

`define db20_real(x) (pow(10, (x)/20))
`define db10_real(x) (pow(10, (x)/10))

narayani said:

then how to convert dB into Magnitude and phase. How to get phase values for dB.

Again, You can never get phase infomation from dB.

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Do you read the replies? dBs are like percentages %, a ratio of two numbers. Nothing about phase angles at all!!
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The followings are MATLAB code for dbv()=db20() and dbp()=db10().

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function y=dbv(x)% dbv(x) = 20*log10(abs(x)); the dB equivalent of the voltage xy = -Inf*ones(size(x));if isempty(x) returnendnonzero = x~=0;y(nonzero) = 20*log10(abs(x(nonzero)));

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function y=dbp(x)% dbp(x) = 10*log10(x): the dB equivalent of the power xy = -Inf*ones(size(x));if isempty(x) returnendnonzero = x~=0;y(nonzero) = 10*log10(abs(x(nonzero)));

Again, You can never get phase infomation from dB value, even if you use MATLAB or ANY.

https://edadocs.software.keysight.com/display/ads2009/db()+Measurement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

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KlausST said:

Hi,
dB is a value of ratio.
For values like voltage, current the above formula is correct.
For value like power "Mag = 10^(dB/10)" is correct.

Not quite. The Bel is always a

power

ratio, by definition. A deciBel is 1/10 of a Bel, hence the "10" in the well-known formulae.

Since power is proportional to the square of the voltage, expressing voltage ratios in dB introduces an extra "2", hence the "20".

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Hi,


The Bel is always a power ratio, by definition. A deciBel is 1/10 of a Bel, hence the "10" in the well-known formulae.

Since power is proportional to the square of the voltage, expressing voltage ratios in dB introduces an extra "2", hence the "20".

Isn´t that what i wrote? At least i wanted to..

Klaus

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KlausST said:

Hi,

Isn´t that what i wrote? At least i wanted to..

Klaus

The end result is the same, but your explanation implied there was a difference for power and voltage, whereas there is no difference.

Sorry that it is so difficult to follow what we are discussing; by design this website strips out the context, hence the large amount of vertical whitespace between "Hi" and "Isn't".

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Hi,

The end result is the same, but your explanation implied there was a difference for power and voltage, whereas there is no difference.

Yes, there is a difference. And you explained it correctely already.

1) for voltage: dB(U) = 20 * log(U_out / U_in)

2) for power: dB(P) = 10 * log(P_out / P_in)

the mathematical calculation is like you explained:

Klaus

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Consider original point of this thread.

Decibel definition should be db20() not db10() for this thread point.

For example, consider S-parameter of Touchstone format
There are following three styles for complex value.
(1) dB/Angle
(2) Mag/Angle
(3) Real/Imag
Here Mag=10^(dB/20)

https://edadocs.software.keysight.com/display/ads2009/db()+Measurement
https://www.edaboard.com/threads/344348/

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Hi,

Consider original point of this thread.

Decibel definition should be db20() not db10() for this thread point.

I read the original post and can´t find this.

Is "magnitude" always considered to be voltage or current? Can´t it be power?

Klaus

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Hi,

The OP says nothing about S parameters nor Agilent (Keysight) ADS.

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KlausST said:

The OP says nothing about S parameters nor Agilent (Keysight) ADS.

Phase(Angle) is refered in this thread, so it is voltage not power.

Again, Decibel definition should be db20() not db10() for this thread point.

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Hi,

Yes, here it is. The OP knows how to hide informations...

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How to convert dB into Magnitude and Angle (2024)

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How to convert dB into magnitude? ›

Description. y = db2mag( ydb ) returns the magnitude measurements, y , that correspond to the decibel (dB) values specified in ydb . The relationship between magnitude and decibels is ydb = 20 log10( y ).

What is the formula for converting decibels? ›

The dB is calculated via two different expressions XdB=10log10(XlinXref)orYdB=20log10(YlinYref). If you convert a quantity X that relates to power or energy, the factor is 10.

How to convert dB into normal value? ›

How to Calculate Normal Value from dB?
  1. First, determine the dB value you want to convert.
  2. Next, determine the reference value (RV). ...
  3. Use the formula NV = RV * 10^(dB / 10) to calculate the normal value (NV).
  4. Finally, enter the dB value and the reference value into the calculator to get the normal value.
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What is the equation for dB to mag? ›

dB is a value of ratio. For values like voltage, current the above formula is correct. For value like power "Mag = 10^(dB/10)" is correct.

What is dB magnitude? ›

It is based on orders of magnitude, rather than a standard linear scale, so each mark on the decibel scale is the previous mark multiplied by a value. On the decibel scale, the quietest audible sound (perceived near total silence) is 0 dB. A sound 10 times more powerful is 10 dB.

Is there a formula for magnitude? ›

the formula to determine the magnitude of a vector (in two-dimensional space) v = (x, y) is: |v| =√(x2 + y2). This formula is derived from the Pythagorean theorem. the formula to determine the magnitude of a vector (in three-dimensional space) V = (x, y, z) is: |V| = √(x2 + y2 + z2)

How to convert dB into intensity? ›

For every 10 dB increase in intensity level, the sound intensity will increase by a factor of 10. The intensity level is given by β = 10 log ⁡ ( I I 0 ) dB, where I 0 = 10 − 12 W / m 2 represents the threshold for human hearing and is the intensity of the sound in W / m 2 .

How can I calculate dB? ›

One decibel (0.1 bel) equals 10 times the common logarithm of the power ratio. Expressed as a formula, the intensity of a sound in decibels is 10 log10 (S1/S2), where S1 and S2 are the intensity of the two sounds; i.e., doubling the intensity of a sound means an increase of a little more than 3 dB.

How do you solve for dB? ›

Flexi Says: The decibel level of a sound intensity I can be calculated using the formula: dB = 10 log(I/I0) where: - dB is the sound level in decibels, - I is the intensity of the sound wave, and - I0 is the reference intensity, typically the quietest sound that the average human ear can hear, approximately 1 x 10-12 ...

What is dB conversion? ›

dB is just a unit which converts a numeric value into decibel scale and for conversion , we have to use log10. A(in dB)=10log10(A) or A(in dB)=20log10(A) For power, you have to use 10 log(P) whereas for voltage or current, you have to use 20 log(Vor I).

What is dB equals to? ›

The decibel (symbol: dB) is a relative unit of measurement equal to one tenth of a bel (B).

What is 10 dB equal to? ›

Decibels increase exponentially

For example, every increase of 10 dB on the decibel scale is equal to a 10-fold increase in sound pressure level (SPL). Near silence is expressed as 0 dB but a sound measured at 10 dB is actually 10 times louder. If a sound is 20 dB, that's 100 times louder than near silence.

What is the dB formula? ›

Decibels (dB) = 10 log(P2/P1) With the constant almost always included in modern terminology and power referred to as a “ten log” function. In this equation, P1 is usually the reference power. If P2 is less than P1, the ratio is less then 1.0 and the resultant (exponent) value is negative.

What is the formula for converting dB to power? ›

What It Is. A change in power, from P1 to P2 can be expressed as a ratio in decibels with the equation dB = 10*log(P2/ P1) . A doubling in the power level translates to a power ratio of 3 dB. Similarly, halving the power equals a -3 dB power ratio.

What is the magnitude of 3dB? ›

magnitude of 0.707. This magnitude, when converted to decibels using Eq. 1 is equal to –3dB, often referred to as the 3dB down point. The cutoff frequency is characteristic of filtering devices, such as RC circuits.

What is the magnitude unit of dB? ›

decibel (dB), unit for expressing the ratio between two physical quantities, usually amounts of acoustic or electric power, or for measuring the relative loudness of sounds. One decibel (0.1 bel) equals 10 times the common logarithm of the power ratio.

How do you convert decibels to intensity? ›

For every 10 dB increase in intensity level, the sound intensity will increase by a factor of 10. The intensity level is given by β = 10 log ⁡ ( I I 0 ) dB, where I 0 = 10 − 12 W / m 2 represents the threshold for human hearing and is the intensity of the sound in W / m 2 .

How do you convert dB to power? ›

Decibels are dimensionless numbers used to represent the ratio of two quantities of power: db = 10 log P1/P0 . This is a base 10 logarithm. For the common unit of "dbm" the reference power P0 is defined as 1 milliwatt : dbm = 10 log P1/1mw. Easy, right?

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